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  1. He he taranul foloseste Hilux mai nou... si inainte folosea ARO...!!...Diesele, bineinteles...Dar nu i problema Sorine ca imediat vor aparea si MAC-urile cu benzina, poate cine stie o fi vreo gaselnita !... ..Mai deci ca motoare de serie ca ele se pare ca au aparut deja..DiesOtto si uite ca ne impacam cu totii!!!..
  2. Nu e vorba de moda ..Ai vazut tu nemtii "la moda"??!??!....Al moda sunt bolizii tetelu Ferrari Alfa MG-uri Bentley etc etc...E vorba de practicitate de pragmatism de realism..E vorba de RANDAMENTUL unui COMBUSTIBIL fata de un altul...Eu la asta reduc toata problema!...Hai seara faina!
  3. Sorine cu parere de rau trebuie sa ti spun ca esti intr-o eroare maxima cu tinutul asta una si buna ca dieselul nu e bun ca e mort etc etc !!....Vad ca geaba am dat lincuri utile tot o tii pe a ta...Uite mai jos o sa-i zicem analiza a motorului Diesel, poate o sa intelegi ca totusi motoarele Diesel nu vor muri mai repede decat cele pe benzina...Eu nu stiu tie chiar nu ti da de gandit ca toti marii producatori de auto (unii cu o traditie in motoare MAS au trecut la fabricarea unor motoare Diesel!!?!Chiar nu vezi asta!?! Advantages and disadvantages versus spark-ignition engines [edit] Power and fuel economy Diesel engines are more efficient than gasoline (petrol) engines of the same power, resulting in lower fuel consumption. A common margin is 40% more miles per gallon for an efficient turbodiesel. For example, the current model Škoda Octavia, using Volkswagen Group engines, has a combined Euro rating of 38 miles per US gallon (6.2 L/100 km) for the 102 bhp (76 kW) petrol engine and 54 mpg (4.4 L/100 km) for the 105 bhp (75 kilowatts) diesel engine. However, such a comparison doesn't take into account that diesel fuel is denser and contains about 15% more energy by volume. Although the calorific value of the fuel is slightly lower at 45.3 MJ/kg (megajoules per kilogram) than gasoline at 45.8 MJ/kg, liquid diesel fuel is significantly denser than liquid gasoline. When this is taken into account, diesel fuel has a higher energy density than petrol; this volumetric measure is the main concern of many people, as diesel fuel is sold by volume, not weight, and must be transported and stored in tanks of fixed size. Adjusting the numbers to account for the energy density of diesel fuel, one finds the overall energy efficiency of the aforementioned paragraph is still about 20% greater for the diesel version, despite the weight penalty of the diesel engine. When comparing engines of relatively low power for the vehicle's weight (such as the 75 hp VW Golf), the diesel's overall energy efficiency advantage is reduced further but still between 10 and 15 percent. While higher compression ratio is helpful in raising efficiency, diesel engines are much more economical than gasoline (petrol) engines when at low power and at engine idle. Unlike the petrol engine, diesels lack a butterfly valve (throttle) in the inlet system, which closes at idle. This creates parasitic drag on the incoming air, reducing the efficiency of petrol/gasoline engines at idle. Due to their lower heat losses, diesel engines have a lower risk of gradually overheating if left idling for long periods of time. In many applications, such as marine, agriculture, and railways, diesels are left idling unattended for many hours or sometimes days. These advantages are especially attractive in locomotives (see dieselization). Naturally aspirated diesel engines are heavier than gasoline engines of the same power for two reasons. The first is that it takes a larger displacement diesel engine to produce the same power as a gasoline engine. This is essentially because the diesel must operate at lower engine speeds.[4] Diesel fuel is injected just before ignition, leaving the fuel little time to reach all the oxygen in the cylinder. In the gasoline engine, air and fuel are mixed for the entire compression stroke, ensuring complete mixing even at higher engine speeds. The second reason for the greater weight of a diesel engine is it must be stronger to withstand the higher combustion pressures needed for ignition, and the shock loading from the detonation of the ignition mixture. As a result, the reciprocating mass (the piston and connecting rod), and the resultant forces to accelerate and to decelerate these masses, are substantially higher the heavier, the bigger and the stronger the part, and the laws of diminishing returns of component strength, mass of component and inertia — all come into play to create a balance of offsets, of optimal mean power output, weight and durability. Yet it is this same build quality that has allowed some enthusiasts to acquire significant power increases with turbocharged engines through fairly simple and inexpensive modifications. A gasoline engine of similar size cannot put out a comparable power increase without extensive alterations because the stock components would not be able to withstand the higher stresses placed upon them. Since a diesel engine is already built to withstand higher levels of stress, it makes an ideal candidate for performance tuning with little expense. However, it should be said that any modification that raises the amount of fuel and air put through a diesel engine will increase its operating temperature which will reduce its life and increase its service interval requirements. These are issues with newer, lighter, high performance diesel engines which aren't "overbuilt" to the degree of older engines and are being pushed to provide greater power in smaller engines. The addition of a turbocharger or supercharger to the engine greatly assists in increasing fuel economy and power output, mitigating the fuel-air intake speed limit mentioned above for a given engine displacement. Boost pressures can be higher on diesels than gasoline engines, due to the latter's susceptibility to knock, and the higher compression ratio allows a diesel engine to be more efficient than a comparable spark ignition engine. Because the burned gases are expanded further in a diesel engine cylinder, the exhaust gas is cooler, meaning turbochargers require less cooling, and can be more reliable, than on spark-ignition engines. The increased fuel economy of the diesel engine over the gasoline engine means that the diesel produces less carbon dioxide (CO2) per unit distance. Recently, advances in production and changes in the political climate have increased the availability and awareness of biodiesel, an alternative to petroleum-derived diesel fuel with a much lower net-sum emission of CO2, due to the absorption of CO2 by plants used to produce the fuel. The two main factors that held diesel engine back in private vehicles until quite recently were their low power outputs and high noise levels (characterised by knock or clatter, especially at low speeds and when cold). This noise was caused by the sudden ignition of the diesel fuel when injected into the combustion chamber. This noise was a product of the sudden temperature change, hence it was more pronounced at low engine temperatures. A combination of improved mechanical technology (such as two-stage injectors which fire a short 'pilot charge' of fuel into the cylinder to warm the combustion chamber before delivering the main fuel charge) and electronic control (which can adjust the timing and length of the injection process to optimise it for all speeds and temperatures) have partially mitigated these problems in the latest generation of common-rail designs. Poor power and narrow torque bands have been helped by the use of turbochargers and intercoolers. [edit] Emissions Diesel engines produce very little carbon monoxide as they burn the fuel in excess air even at full load, at which point the quantity of fuel injected per cycle is still about 50% lean of stoichiometric. However, they can produce black soot (or more specifically diesel particulate matter) from their exhaust, which consists of unburned carbon compounds. This is often caused by worn injectors, which do not atomize the fuel sufficiently, or a faulty engine management system which allows more fuel to be injected than can be burned completely in the available time. The full load limit of a diesel engine in normal service is defined by the "black smoke limit", beyond which point the fuel cannot be completely combusted; as the "black smoke limit" is still considerably lean of stoichiometric it is possible to obtain more power by exceeding it, but the resultant inefficient combustion means that the extra power comes at the price of reduced combustion efficiency, high fuel consumption and dense clouds of smoke, so this is only done in specialised applications (such as tractor pulling) where these disadvantages are of little concern. Likewise, when starting from cold, the engine's combustion efficiency is reduced because the cold engine block draws heat out of the cylinder in the compression stroke. The result is that fuel is not combusted fully, resulting in blue/white smoke and lower power outputs until the engine has warmed through. This is especially the case with in-direct injection engines which are less thermally efficient. With electronic injection, the timing and length of the injection sequence can be altered to compensate for this. Older engines with mechanical injection can have manual control to alter the timing, or multi-phase electronically-controlled glow plugs, that stay on for a period after start-up to ensure clean combustion- the plugs are automatically switched to a lower power to prevent them burning out. Particles of the size normally called PM10 (particles of 10 micrometres or smaller) have been implicated in health problems, especially in cities. Some modern diesel engines feature diesel particulate filters, which catch the black soot and when saturated are automatically regenerated by burning the particles. Other problems associated with the exhaust gases (nitrogen oxides, sulfur oxides) can be mitigated with further investment and equipment; some diesel cars now have catalytic converters in the exhaust. [edit] Power and torque For commercial uses requiring towing, load carrying and other tractive tasks, diesel engines tend to have more desirable torque characteristics. Diesel engines tend to have their torque peak quite low in their speed range (usually between 1600–2000 rpm for a small-capacity unit, lower for a larger engine used in a truck). This provides smoother control over heavy loads when starting from rest, and crucially allows the diesel engine to be given higher loads at low speeds than a petrol engine, which makes them much more economical for these applications. This characteristic is not so desirable in private cars, so most modern diesels used in such vehicles use electronic control, variable geometry turbochargers and shorter piston strokes to achieve a wider spread of torque over the engine's speed range, typically peaking at around 2500–3000 rpm. [edit] Reliability The lack of an electrical ignition system greatly improves the reliability. The high durability of a diesel engine is also due to its overbuilt nature (see above) as well as the diesel's combustion cycle, which creates less-violent changes in pressure when compared to a spark-ignition engine, a benefit that is magnified by the lower rotating speeds in diesels. Diesel fuel is a better lubricant than gasoline so is less harmful to the oil film on piston rings and cylinder bores; it is routine for diesel engines to cover 250,000 miles (400 000 km) or more without a rebuild. Unfortunately, due to the greater compression force required and the increased weight of the stronger components, starting a diesel engine is a harder task. More torque is required to push the engine through compression. Either an electrical starter or an air start system is used to start the engine turning. On large engines, pre-lubrication and slow turning of an engine, as well as heating, are required to minimize the amount of engine damage during initial start-up and running. Some smaller military diesels can be started with an explosive cartridge, called a Coffman starter, which provides the extra power required to get the machine turning. In the past, Caterpillar and John Deere used a small gasoline pony motor in their tractors to start the primary diesel motor. The pony motor heated the diesel to aid in ignition and utilized a small clutch and transmission to actually spin up the diesel engine. Even more unusual was an International Harvester design in which the diesel motor had its own carburetor and ignition system, and started on gasoline. Once warmed up, the operator moved two levers to switch the motor to diesel operation, and work could begin. These engines had very complex cylinder heads (with their own gasoline combustion chambers) and in general were vulnerable to expensive damage if special care was not taken (especially in letting the engine cool before turning it off). As mentioned above, diesel engines tend to have more torque at lower engine speeds than gasoline engines. However, diesel engines tend to have a narrower power band than gasoline engines. Naturally-aspirated diesels tend to lack power and torque at the top of their speed range. This narrow band is a reason why a vehicle such as a truck may have a gearbox with as many as 16 or more gears, to allow the engine's power to be used effectively at all speeds. Turbochargers tend to improve power at high engine speeds, superchargers do the same at lower speeds, and variable geometry turbochargers improve the engine's performance equally (or make the torque curve flatter). [edit] Quality and variety of fuels Petrol/gasoline engines are limited in the variety and quality of the fuels they can burn. Older petrol engines fitted with a carburetor required a volatile fuel that would vaporize easily to create the necessary fuel/air mix for combustion. Because both air and fuel are admitted to the cylinder, if the compression ratio of the engine is too high or the fuel too volatile (with too low an octane rating), the fuel will ignite under compression, as in a diesel engine, before the piston reaches the top of its stroke. This pre-ignition causes a power loss and over time major damage to the piston and cylinder. The need for a fuel that is volatile enough to vaporize but not too volatile (to avoid pre-ignition) means that petrol engines will only run on a narrow range of fuels. There has been some success at dual-fuel engines that use gasoline/Ethanol, gasoline/Propane, and gasoline/Methane. In diesel engines, a mechanical injector system vaporizes the fuel (instead of a Venturi jet in a carburetor as in a petrol engine). This forced vaporisation means that less volatile fuels can be used. More crucially, because only air is inducted into the cylinder in a diesel engine, the compression ratio can be much higher as there is no risk of pre-ignition provided the injection process is accurately timed. This means that cylinder temperatures are much higher in a diesel engine than a petrol engine allowing less combustible fuels to be used. Diesel fuel is a form of light fuel oil, very similar to kerosene, but diesel engines, especially older or simple designs that lack precision electronic injection systems, can run on a wide variety of other fuels. One of the most common alternatives is vegetable oil from a very wide variety of plants. Some engines can be run on vegetable oil without modification, and most others require fairly basic alterations. Bio-diesel is a pure diesel-like fuel refined from vegetable oil and can be used in nearly all diesel engines. The only limits on the fuels used in diesel engines are the ability of the fuel to flow along the fuel lines and the ability of the fuel to lubricate the injector pump and injectors adequately. Most large marine diesels (often called cathedral engines due to their size) run on heavy fuel oil (sometimes called "bunker oil"), which is a thick, viscous and almost un-flammable fuel which is very safe to store and cheap to buy in bulk as it is a waste product from the petroleum refining industry. The fuel must be heated to thin it out (often by the exhaust header) and is often passed through multiple injection stages to vaporize it. = Ia stai ca te contrazic si pe tine ca bag seama ca si tu ai cam ramas in urma... Pai adica Honda civic 2,2 D e cu o secunda "mai sport" ca OZN lui Satori, Audi castiga cursa dupa cursa cu motor Diesel si tu mai zici ca nu sunt sportive!?!..BMW de asemenea pune la greu Diesel pe masini si doar n-o sa te apuci sa spui unui BMW ca i tractor nu!?!?...Ca sa nu mai vorbim de consumurile astora ... Ah si sa nu uit sa stii ca si GPL-ul tot de petrol depinde sau ai impresia ca vine din aer...
  4. Hă!!??!? @Satori...: si gata ce!?!...
  5. @Tolin eu n-as paria pe cartea asta cu electricul - nu inca - mai ales daca te uiti sa vezi cum cresc suprafetele cultivate cu rapita sau ce pana mea e aia pentru Biodiesel...
  6. Deci sa vad CE energie dezvolta un litru de motorina cu CAT dezvolta un litru de banzina...Asta apropos de cine compara mere cu pere??? Tu mi ceri mie sa compar CE cu CAT..Beton , zid ce mai!!...Pai poate imi si spui in ce conditii sa compar "merele" astea cu "perele" respective ...cand le dau foc cand le pun in motor cand le beau cand ce!!?!?... Daca ai fi citit lincurile d emai sus ai fi vazut si tu ca lucrurile sunt in vitor d epartea Dieselurilor vorbeste si tu cu amici tai din vest (oericatre vest) si intreaba-i cam catre masini Diesel sunt azi pe starzi (in Franta sunut cam 65% deja si cresc) tu de ce crezi ca are loc fenomenul asta ai idee!?!?...Nu suntem toti ca tine sa dam in ture ca la F1...Viitorul e al Dieselului orice ai face matale pun si pariu daca vrei...
  7. Producatorii de motoare Diesel?!?....Care or fi aia!?!?.... M ai rupt cu faza asta ...Cine mai!?! care producatori de motoare Diesel?..Audi!? VW/ Renault?GM? Ford?Volvo?Saab? mai nou Honda?, Toyota? Mitsubishi !!?Care producatori de motoare Diesel aburesc populatia !?!?.... Buna si asta cu nu mai vreti CODOI cresteti plante !!...Pai as ar fi bine dar ia vezi cu cat s a redus suprafata impaduita a Terrei in ultimii zece ani!!??....IKEA tetelu sa traiasca!...Practic tocmai lipsa padurilor a dus la poluare poti sa dai tui cu miliaone de butelii de CODOI ca daca nu s copaci nu vei face sa creasca altii doar cu CODOI ..Mai trebuie sa i si plantezi .. Dar ma rog ideea e ca totusi un motor cu randament mai mare nu poate sa dea un cuplu mai mic decat al unui motor cu randament mai mic...Asta ca s o luam ca la fizica de liceu...
  8. Bai pe forumul asta pun degeaba lincuri ca oricum nu le citeste nimeni cam toti isi dau cu parerea dupa ureche...Urechisti adica!!!...
  9. Motoare EURO 5 de la VAG, BlueMotion, adica diesel, adica cele mai curate din lume la ora actuala... http://www.informatiiauto.ro/surprizele-vo...rt-sid1463.html
  10. Bine, bine pune-le tu in engleza poate ne luminezi si pe noi de ce si Saab si Volvo au crescut tare pe Diesel in ultima vreme...Pentru cei care vor sa inteleaga: randamentul la un Otto e de maxim 30% iar la un Diesel de putin peste 40% ...Adica dintr un litru de combustibil aruncam 70% benzina si 60 % motoirna in aer!...dar viitorul ne va spune ce si cum!!! Ceva fresh http://www.zf.ro/articol_141040/motoarele_...a_americii.html
  11. Pai da tu ca eu nu stiu suedeza... Si daca presa auto inseamna "gard" iar articolele cu pricina ti se par "3,14..a" ma rog treaba ta nu am dorit sa demonstrez ca te cunosc in nici un caz...pana una alta eu ti-am dat niste citate, trimiteri (la articole adica)....Adu si tu niste articole din astea de pe garduri si mai vorbim...
  12. Maitre citeste tata, ca lumea nu sta pe loc, uita-te in linkurile alea lasa clapetele si stoichiometria ca nu ma laud eu, ce Dumnezeu ca doar n-am Diesel ...Poti sa te inchizi in garaj cu un dizal pornit si nu vei muri dar cu un MAS ai toate sansele!...Ce vezi tu negru nu e periculos, ce nu vezi e periculos...Codoiu n-are miros si n-are culoare... Maitre uite ceva ptr la anu... Audi este un pionier când vine vorba de putere diesel. Înc? din 1989, peste 4,5 milioane de ma?ini au p?r?sit liniile de produc?ie cu tehnologia eficient? TDI sub capot?. Echipând prototipul sport R10 cu tehnologie TDI, am reu?it s? câ?tig?m pentru a doua oar? âCursa de 24 de ore de la Le Mansâ cu o ma?in? bazat? pe motor diesel. Am început s? incorpor?m nout??ile din motorsport în produc?ia de serie.â ne poveste?te cu mândrie Michael Dick, membru al Departamentului Tehnic al Audi AG. âProcedând astfel, noi demonstr?m c? principiile TDI ?i TFSI reprezint? solu?ia optim? în eficien?a consumului, pl?cerea condusului ?i economia de carburant, atât pe strad?, cât ?i pe pista de curse.â Ultima genera?ie TDI reafirm? Audi pe prima pozi?ie în domeniul tehnologiei ultra-sofisticate diesel. Când Audi a început produc?ia în serie a primului autovehicul destinat transportului de persoane bazat pe motor TDI, în 1989, a marcat un punct de cotitur? în avansarea tehnologiei auto. Audi a devenit un simbol pentru trac?iunea de mare putere ?i, poate cel mai important, a reprezentat flagelul industriei auto pe care ceilal?i concuren?i îl urmeaz?. Chiar ?i acum, performan?a spontan? combinat? cu economia de combustibil r?mâne de neînvins de c?tre orice sistem de trac?iune pus sub condi?ii reale de teste. Cu noua sa genera?ie de motoare TDI, Audi este acum dator s? demonstreze c? acest propulsor are un poten?ial ridicat ?i un viitor garantat: mul?umit? procesului optimizat de combustie ?i includerea unui sistem de diminuarea a emisiilor toxice, aceste modele corespund cu standardul BIN 5 din SUA, la fel ?i cu standardele din Europa care se a?teapt? a fi impuse în viitorul apropiat. Audi vine pe pia?? în 2008 al?turi de strategia sa TDI cu motoare V6 la trei litri pentru Audi A4 ?i Q7. Dezvoltând 240 CP ?i un cuplu maxim de 500 Nm pentru Audi A4 ?i 550 Nm pentru Audi Q7, propulsoarele se laud? cu un dinamism sublim combinat cu un consum relativ mic de combustibil, aceste dou? propriet??i fiind blazonul a oric?rei ma?ini Audi. Alte modele derivate din acestea vor fi lansate pân? în 2010, moment în care Audi dore?te s? extind? tehnologia TDI ?i la alte clase de autovehicule. Si mai uite: Jaguar XJ 2.7 Diesel a fost declarat cel mai curat automobil de lux din Marea Britanie. Titlul a fost decernat, la o ceremonie din Londra, de catre vedeta de televiziune Janet Ellis. Premiul recunoaste implicarea constructorului englez in problema poluarii si eforturile facute de acesta pentru a limita consumul si emisiile de gaze. Jaguar a reusit sa imbine arhitectura usoara din aluminiu cu un diesel ecologic, oferind cele mai bune performante. Environmental Transport Association (ETA), organizatia care a evaluat participantii acestui concurs, a alcatuit o lista cu 2500 de masini, carora le-a acordat un punctaj in functie de opiniile clientilor. Principiile de catalogare au depins de performanta modelelor la urmatoarele categorii: putere, emisii CO2, consumul de combustibil si siguranta. XJ a avut de infruntat o concurenta serioasa (Mercedes-Benz S320 si Seria 7 de la BMW) pentru a calca pe urmele fratelui sau mai in varsta Jaguar X-TYPE, care a castigat trofeul in 2006. Geoff Cousins, managing director la Jaguar, a declarat: "Suntem foarte constienti de responsabilitatea pe care o avem asupra mediului si ne asumam rolul de a dezvolta solutii tehnologice care sa aibe un impact cat mai mic asupra mediului".
  13. Toline eu cred ca deja te-ai pus pe dezinformare ...Adica tu contrazici tot ceea ce se scrie mai nou prin reviste de specialitate, asta doar pentru ca vezi tu ce se intampla cu un Diesel care pleca de la stop... Si ca astia de vand Diesele mint...Ca asa stii tu noi nu stiom de unde ...Aia de vand benzinare aia nu mint... Uite eu tot nu renunt sa incerc sa te aduc la realitate iti dau de lecturi suplimantare ca ai nevoie parol... http://www.dieselforum.org/meet-clean-dies...s-clean-diesel/ Pai asta e daca vine dintr-o compresie aprope dubla fata de benzinare cam cum ai vrea sa sune?!.... Dar sa stii ca si scanteia inseamna tot energie consumata ...Hai, Maitre, tot respectul pentru tine dar la faza asta cu Dieselul nu esti pe linie zau asa...Uneori e bine sa recunosti...Daca nu vrei e treaba ta... Cu respect de la Zaraza cum zici matale... Inca un link si gata: http://www.dsnc.biz/diesel_facts.html
  14. Deci WERE da!?!..WERE!!..Poate nu mai stim ce inseamna WERE..(uer) ..Cand o sa-mi arati propozitia aia cu ARE atunci mai discutam... Masuratorile se fac la fel ptr toate tipurile de motoare nu se fac diferit la Diesel decat la benzinare...Maitre pune mana si apuca-te de citit ca nu mai merge asa din osanza...Cat am stat la visare unii au facut din dizal motoare de raliu si tu ii dai inainte cu WERE..Hai vino in prezent lasa-l naiba pe WERE ok!?!... Ia-l si pe Lauamd cu tine ca e urechist !...Daca am ajuns sa punem la indoiala pana si randamentul unui motor Diesel atunci s-a dus dracu fizica de liceu!... @Tolin...Din cauza de zgomot de aia le-au scos din orase si din cauza de gabarit nu din cauza de poluare... Dar sa stii ca la LOndra o sa auzi dizal peste tot ai sa razi ...sau sa plangi ma rog!!!... Vreamea dizalului poluant a cam trecut ...
  15. http://www.cnn.com/2007/AUTOS/05/01/diesel...iref=newssearch Un linc cu apdeituri pentru cei care se mai indoiesc de viitor!...Asta apropos de generatoare... Io zic ca de aia sunt mai putin poluante dizalurile pen'ca ramane codoiu pe teava..La alea pe benzen se duce tot in aer...Ki ki ki... Ia uita-te matale pe fisa aia "comerciala" si vezi ce emisie de codoi au Civicurile pe benzina si ce emisie au cele pe motorina!...Surpraiz nu!?!?
  16. Nu mai eu cred ca s-au gandit la restul de 60%...Da mai nou 40% e mai mare ca 60%... Asa cum si motoarele pe benzina furnizeaza mai nou putere mai mare decat cele pe motorina si cum viitorul e al benzinei in conditile in care mai nou se pune diesel si pe motoare... O zi plina de invataturi ... (sper ca naiba sa nu se apuce careva sa citeasca pe aici si sa ia de bune ce spune unul sau altu')...
  17. Ete ca ai noroc cica nu mai ai mult de asteptat ... http://ww.autobloggreen.com/tag/bentley%20diesel/
  18. benzina sau dizal!?!?...ki ki ki!!
  19. Eu daca as avea bani mi-as trage Honda aia 2,2D si pentru siti si pentru cantri...
  20. Asa e de fapt n-ai nevoie nici de masina poti sa ti iei foarte bine bicicleta...Sau motor sau scuter si ai cupplu de care ai nevoie...ce mai explicatiile vin dupa cum convin autorului... Am trait s-o aud si pe asta cu combustia necontrolata... Sa dea dracii nu mi mai iau masina dizal never poate face dracu explozie...
  21. Ai putina rabdare ca iese imediat si variabilitatea asta si la Diesel ...daca nu cumva o fi si iesit... Eu nu stiu de ce ii dai atata cu benzina asta cand e clar ca buna ziua ca NICIODATA, DAR NICIODATA nu vei scoate randamentul unui motor Otto la fel cu cel al unui Diesel...Daca nu din alte motive macar pentru ca la Diesel din start un sistem este lipsa si anume aprinderea!... In vest cred ca nu mai sunt 20% masini pe benzina numai Dizele peste tot !...De ce crezi oare!?!?
  22. Aha deci sa inteleg ca la 1500 rpm un VTEC din ala are cuplu mai mare decat la 4000 de ture nu-i asa!?... ...Gata m-am lamurit scuze eram in eroare...Ptiu, mari tampiti astia cu fisele lor tehnice ca le au facut comerciale...ki, ki, ki...
  23. Bine, bine, lasa-ma pe mine in eroarea mea condu tu benzina cu cuplu mare si turatie mica (parca asta era de fapt subiectul) iar de consum nu mai vorbim ca nu are rost ...eu am mers cu niste amarate de VW-uri Diesel si pe mine m-au convins... Iar linku era o fisa TEHNICA daca tu crezi ca e comerciala treaba ta...Daca aia mint e treaba lor..
  24. Bine mai Ganditorule!!!!...asa e cum zici tu, e mai tare motorul pe benzina !...
  25. Bai ma lasi cu camioanele tale!?!...Te-ai blocat la ele!?!...Am vrut doar sa arat ca nu degeaba se pun dizele pe camioane, sunt sigur c-ai inteles asta dar ma rog...Si asa pentru tine, uite aici "camioane" vezi baga un ochi si la cuplu si la viteza si la consum si la demaraj si dupa aia vino si mai povesteste-ne... http://honda.com.ro/civic5d/fisatehnica/ Puii mei ca daca ma tot uit la motorul ala mi se pare ca da dizelu' devine din ce in ce mai mult o afacere...
 

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